A chart of recoil I found on the internet said 180 grn 300 win 25.9 ft lbs of recoil, 180 grn 300 wby 31.6 ft lbs, for comparison 7mm rem 175 grn 21.7 ft lbs. 308 and 300 Win Mag are both great for taking big game in North America. The .30/06. I shot an antelope one October afternoon with a Nosler 200-gr. Accuracy is going to be a lot more about the specific gun than the caliber. Add to that the chamber’s maximum 0.315-inch throat diameter, and you’re adding the “hot dog down a hallway” effect that makes it hard to get the .308-inch bullet to enter the rifling at a consistent angle, as Quinlen explains it. gun). GMX that stops expanding halfway down its length, or a heavier bullet that expands less due to its lower velocity. Partition fired from a .300 Win. With the JP Recoil Eliminator, Peterson was able to fire nearly a thousand rounds of ammunition in load development, zero acquisition and everyday practice without any physical abuse. Mag. Mag… All five of the.300 Win Mag rounds produced between 27 and 32ft.lb of energy, between 7 and 14 more ft.lb of recoil energy than the 7mm Rem Mag rounds. Mag. Iinstalled a VIAS BRAKE & luv it fits the gun well no nasty dust no nasty noise ! The round is popular for both big game hunting and long range shooting. Before getting into the comparison, we will talk very briefly about the history of the two rounds. Notably, the .300 Win Mag cartridge fires a projectile that on average can best the .308 Winchester cartridge by 50% on overall distance while maintaining lethality. I wanted to feel the difference in recoil between these two firearms. I was a bit disappointed with the velocity H4831 imparted to Nosler 210-gr. It’s been around so long, and has achieved such vast success on so many fronts, that about the only thing you can compare it to is the .22 Long Rifle. I should have followed my own advice and loaded the bullets with these slower-burning propellants. to compensate for the 200 to 300 f.p.s of additional velocity it achieves compared to the .30-’06 Sprg. It does have holes on the bottom so it will kick dust. really puts the hammer down. has come out on top for a variety of reasons. Correct bullet selection is necessary for the .300 Win. The bullet hit the antelope at 200 yds. Electronic ear protection will allow me to hear in the field and still protect my ears when I squeeze the trigger. The Nosler website (. ) I shot a savage bench rifle in .300 win mag with a brake a little while ago, less recoil than my .243 sporter. The.300 Weatherby Magnum is a fast, hard-hitting cartridge, driving a 180-grain bullet to a muzzle velocity of 3250 fps, for over 4,000 ft.-lbs. rifles with 24. barrels, propellants such as IMR 4350 and Reloder 17 produced the highest velocities with 150-gr. Nearly a caseful of H1000, IMR 7828, Magnum, Norma MRP and Reloder 22 and 25 launch 180-gr. Friday, September 11, 2015. I have owned and shot the 7mm and a friends 375 h&H it was to heavy of recoil for me personally 37 ft lbs. Not the least, handloaders can tailor the .300 to fit their exact hunting requirements. Mag.’s neck (above), plenty of room remains for 80-some grains of powder. Mag. But of the dozen or so .300 magnum cartridges, either short or tall, fat or slim, the .300 Win. i bet there's one near you as well. Brakes are very effective at making a rifle more comfortable to shoot and it helps to spot hits at long range. Brockman only sells it on custom rifles these days (got mine 10+ years ago) but I did find that the E. Arthur Brown company has licensed it and will install it on your rifle or barrel. As a new hunter, the 300 based on this recoil factor may not be the best for you to start hunting. gun)lightbulb. The 300 Win. of recoil energy. STEPHEN! Despite prevailing belief, the .300’s short neck provides more than enough grasp to securely hold a bullet. .30-06 is an extremely old round. In turn, the .300 H&H and .300 Weatherby magnums had proven themselves in the hunting fields for nearly 40 and 20 years, respectively, before Winchester presented its .300 magnum in 1963. Brockman B.E.S.T break. It bettered the velocity of the benchmark .30-06 Springfield by over 200 fps, yet could fit in a standard long action. Same weight bullet, same velocity = same recoil. But he is hampering himself on occasional short shots in the timber because those Sierras under a full head of steam tend to fall short in terms of penetration—necessary for quartering shots—and mash flat when they hit bones. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Free recoil from a 300 Wby. I have bumped around .300 cartridges in my pack and pocket for days and other cartridges in my rifle’s magazine have received repeated knocks when the rifle was fired, and have been constantly cycled in and out of the magazine. Subsequently, Remington has made low-recoil rounds called "Managed-Recoil" available for the.300 Win Mag, which recoil less while providing performance similar to the.30-06 Springfield. For an elk only rifle, I would probably just go with the .300 Win Mag, as the extra power and recoil of the .338 just isn't required. But if you have one installed after market be careful on who you take it too because they can though off accuracy if installed incorrectly. Recoil in a 308 is usually around 12 or 13 ft-lbs, while it’s 20+ ft-lbs in a 300 win mag. 180-grain Oryx load. bullets at 3050 f.p.s. The .300 Win mag does shoot flatter, but you can also shoot lighter bullets in the .338, that shoot just about as flat. They make a 300WM feel like a 243. This is supposedly a ballistic no-no. Mag.’s belt and adjust their size die to set headspace on the shoulder. bullets. I even wear hearing protection when I hunt. Put a brake on it, wear ear protection, and enjoy shooting your rifle. About 80 grs. JavaScript is disabled. .300 Win Mag 180 gr 3060 fps @100 yards 3,279 ft lbs. The Nosler website (nosler.com) lists loads for only H4831 and slower-burning IMR 7828 and Reloder 22 for this new bullet. Comparatively slow-burning propellants such as H1000 and Magnum were close behind in speed, however, the charge weights required are about 10 grs. rifles with 24" barrels, propellants such as IMR 4350 and Reloder 17 produced the highest velocities with 150-gr. But a bullet of conventional construction will wreak bloodshot meat from neck to knees on an antelope. The fact that it also has a milder recoil than the 300 Win Mag makes the 7mm Rem Mag a sound choice for those heading out on mountain hunting expeditions. In the past decade, more cartridges with significant size or compact proportions have come along to rake off a portion of the Winchester cartridge’s success. The belt on the .300 case is a relic of the past used to regulate headspace, but handloaders can just ignore it and adjust their size die to set headspace off the case shoulder. Wins For the 308. to boost velocities 300 f.p.s. I landed on the 300 win mag mainly because it was the caliber of the gun I selected. The brake and pad add up to about the same recoil as my braked 5.56…just here from a 200-grain .300 Win Mag. lists loads for only H4831 and slower-burning IMR 7828 and Reloder 22 for this new bullet. Mag. AccuBond Long Range. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jul 3, 2015. Even pushing 220s. has a big appetite for propellant, burning 20 to 25 percent more propellant for only a 10 percent increase in velocity over the.30-’06 Sprg. i firmly believe you should wear hearing protection, brake or not. The Great Ammo Shortage of 2020: When Will It End? Mag. God bless bullets. like shootn a 25-06 ! really puts the hammer down. AccuBond Long Range bullets. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to have a 300 win mag … bullets. It … So then the question is, hunting. You are using an out of date browser. The .300 Win. bullet fired from a 9-lb. I load anywhere from 125g BT to 208g AMAX depending on what I'm hunting and the recoil is very, noticeably different. Critics of the .300 Win. bullets at 3050 f.p.s. If you can live with the extra noise, by all means brake it. Mag. Reloder 25 and RETUMBO are top choices for the fastest speeds for 200-gr. GMX; Berger 165-gr. .300 Win. That is what I have and I got it precisely because I wanted the option. A friend of mine hunts elk in the open country and in the sparse trees near timberlines. Pro-Hunter; and Nosler 210-gr. With those propellants and others, though, the .300 Win. These bullets all fit fine and include (l.-r.): Hornady 150-gr. From the Sisk rifle, and several other .300 Win. For example, when fired from the exact same rifle, a.300 Win Mag load firing a 165 grain bullet has about 25% more recoil than a 7mm Rem Mag load firing a 150 grain bullet at a similar muzzle velocity. over the .30-’06. I like to see my shots through my scopes so us brakes. bullets. With those propellants and others, though, the .300 Win. The .300 Winchester Magnum was not the first, and is certainly not the last, large-capacity cartridge to fire .30-cal. Works great. Lots to be said for watching the bullet impact the deer or elk in the scope. I was a bit disappointed with the velocity H4831 imparted to Nosler 210-gr. if you don't like wearing the headphone style, a local audiologist near me makes custom fit earplugs with baffles that shut off at something like 25db, but remain open so you can hear below that. I shot both and couldn’t tell the difference in felt recoil. Nearly a caseful of H1000, IMR 7828, Magnum, Norma MRP and Reloder 22 and 25 launch 180-gr. rifle with a cartridge loaded to the upper limit, smacks the shoulder with 35 ft.-lbs. The shelves of sporting good stores are full of effective elk bullets that work well up-close and still expand at a distance. These slower-burning propellants come into their own with heavier bullets. Mag.-chambered rifle. Norma’s .300 Win. I came up with a rifle built by Sisk Rifles based on a Savage Model 110 action with a Lilja barrel capped with a muzzle brake and clamped in an aluminum Sisk Tactical Adaptive Rifle stock. How do you keep your ears intact, literally, with a muzzle break? is the most successful and popular of the Big .30's and the only one among the 10 best selling rifle cartridges. Mag. Mag. How about the velocity? Recoil: Recoil is far less in a 308 than a 300 win mag. Among those stacks of bullet boxes are Barnes Triple Shocks and Tipped Triple Shocks, Hornady InterBonds, Nosler AccuBonds and Partitions, and Swift A-Frames and Sciroccos. E-mail your comments/questions about this site to:EmediaRifleman@nrahq.org For questions/comments about American Rifleman magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Rifleman, visit nramediakit.com for more information. .300 Win Mag is a magnum rifle cartridge that was introduced by Winchester in 1953. The goal of this article is to help you determine which .300 Win Mag Rifle is best for you. View Details. The .300 Win. to boost velocities 300 f.p.s. Guys, see a fair amount of discussion on here about recoil and shooting ability. Mag. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2020 National Rifle Association of America. Mag. But the 300 WSM is … Savage Arms 110 .300 Win Mag. of energy at the muzzle, it is far ahead of the.30-06 Springfield and.300 H&H Magnum. He shoots Sierra 180-gr. PUT ONE ON THEY WORK GREAT! they're $150 bucks. This is where the similarities end. The .300 Winchester Magnum after 52 years is still in style and turning in performances any big-game hunter can appreciate. Mag. . I do not like brakes. When I squeeze off a round, my gun doesn't move and I like it that way. The.300 Win. is the Mt. Logic suggests a lightweight bullet at high velocity is best for whitetails and antelope because it will readily expand against the thin ribs of this smaller big game. by John Haviland - That being said, both cartridges have a moderate recoil that most shooters should be able to handle. Mag. has a big appetite for propellant, burning 20 to 25 percent more propellant for only a 10 percent increase in velocity over the .30-’06 Sprg. You must log in or register to reply here. IMHO recoil is all related to holding technique and gun fit. Muzzle brakes are a must for big caliber rifles. is far and away the most popular. I shoot my .300WM and .338Wm during load development and on most instances, I can get by with 10-15 pound weights ... sometimes no weights. From the Sisk rifle, and several other .300 Win. VLD Hunting; Sierra 180-gr. One year while hunting by myself, I missed the buck of a lifetime. It does tend to foul a little bit but if you keep it clean and oiled, it is great. Mag. Mag. Of course, that performance comes with the drawback of recoil. Lorgar Although the base of a long bullet lies well below the .300 Win. The .300 Winchester Magnum—that belted affair based on a shortened Holland and Holland case—was released in 1963 as the last in a quartet of cartridges that redefined magnum performance to the masses. has a voracious appetite for powder. The .300 Win. GameKing bullets from his .300, and the bullets work well on distant shots. I put on a muzzle brake because of this and I'm happy I did! The bullets in those cartridges remained locked in place. Reloder 25 and RETUMBO are top choices for the fastest speeds for 200-gr. A lighter weight rifle coupled with the lighter recoil of the 7mm Rem Mag will see you taking down such things as mountain goats and bighorn sheep with accuracy and less fatigue. Mag., then, generates about as much recoil as most shooters enjoy handling, which is a big part of why this is the most popular 300 magnum cartridge in the world — and will probably remain so. Brought to us in 1963, the .300 Win. However, the .300 case contains plenty of room for 80-some grains of propellant and a drawn-out bullet such as the AccuBond Long Range. I could not tell where my shot went because of the rifle kick. It’s still something to think about even if you do have a lot of experience. I don't have have to prove my machoness by bruising my shoulder. These slower-burning propellants come into their own with heavier bullets. Everest of cartridges. 300 win mag vs 300 prc The .300 Winchester Magnum is redlined right off the bat, thanks to its belted case. of relatively slow-burning propellant, such as Hodgdon H1000 and RETUMBO, IMR 7828, Ramshot Magnum and Alliant Reloder 22 and 25, are required for the .300 Win. It was originally introduced in 1906, and was originally used in the United States Army. 300 Win Mag vs 338 Win Mag vs 338 Lapua: Ammunition Selection I looked around for a free pass from recoil to shoot the loads listed in the accompanying chart. About .243 recoil depending on rifle weight and load I reckon. (29% over .308) Taking game inside 200 yards, with Bonded core, I would think the .308 Winchester would do the trick every time in N. America making the .300 win mag overkill. A 180-gr. It burns 20 to 25 percent more propellant than the .30-’06 Sprg. was the fourth cartridge in a series of belted magnums designed to fit in a standard long (.30-’06 length) action. Eminently versatile, the .300 Winchester Magnum is a true long-range cartridge that hits hard, yet is still manageable in the recoil department. Although they are really loud ear plugs are cheap. After a few to many shots yesterday and a few to many years of shooting I am seriously considering a brake. About 80 grs. Looking at the recoil of the.300 Win Mag vs.300 WSM is important for understanding certain situations that you might favor one over the other. Military and law enforcement applications A highly accurate firearm with a 26-inch barrel. Mag. 278 Posts . we all will spend more than that this year on junk we wind up not even using or liking. The 300 Win Mag has less recoil and a slightly flatter trajectory at normal hunting ranges, but typical 338 Win Mag loads have 10-15% more muzzle energy and about 20% more frontal surface area. I don't like brakes myself because they will cause permanent hearing loss unless you have good double ear protection, you will **** off everyone at the range, any PH, guide, and your hunting buddies. Federal Premium Sets Record Straight On Ammunition Shortage, Review: T/C Performance Center Long Range Rifle, Gemtech Integra 15-22 Suppressed Upper Receiver, © 2020 National Rifle Association of America. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. A rule of thumb that a lot of shooters go by is that 20ft.lb of recoil energy can influence the shot and even be uncomfortable for some shooters. With plenty of practice, shooters can abide the .300’s stiff recoil to take advantage of its accuracy and, many say, its terrific lethal performance on large game such as elk. Mag. of relatively slow-burning propellant, such as Hodgdon H1000 and RETUMBO, IMR 7828, Ramshot Magnum and Alliant Reloder 22 and 25, are required for the .300 Win. I may have had a slight preference due to ammo price and availability. For one, it is chambered in readily available rifles in every action style—except a pump. The .300 Win. Recoil of the 300 WSM should be pretty much the same as the 300 Win Mag. But yous them on my 7mmstw 300 ultra and 338ax. Recoil from the.300 Win Mag is noticeably higher than the well-known and popular.30-06 Springfield. I may look a little weird but I like being able to hear. is most popular among hardcore elk hunters. Elk are typically the main game for hunters who carry rifles chambered in .300 Win. If you could shoot a 30-06 You can shoot a 300 Winchester Magnum. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional … But weight alone fails to make a good all-around elk bullet. Brockman Brake - The muzzle brake that opens and closes its ports to control noise, "30 Nosler is a very impressive round" says Josh at Copper Creek Cartridge Company, Mounting Sling Studs and Flush Cups in Foam Core Stocks. It may not display this or other websites correctly. As far as hurting my ears, I wear double hearing protection no matter what I am shooting when I am at the range. bullets. Looking further, the 300 Mag has a higher recoil than the 308, as the force generated by the 300 beats that the 300 Win Mag on an average by about 6 ft.lbs. Comparatively slow-burning propellants such as H1000 and Magnum were close behind in speed, however, the charge weights required are about 10 grs. heavier. Mag. The shelves of sporting good stores are full of effective elk bullets that work well up-close and still expand at a distance. They’re both readily available at sporting goods stores. They want weight to their bullets and mostly shoot 180s and a few 200-gr. point out several shortcomings of the cartridge. The parent cartridge of .300 Win Mag is .375 H&H Magnum. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil … The .300 Win. heavier. your hearing will be damaged by a rifle shot even without a brake. Shot my 300 win mag yesterday sighting it in. Among those stacks of bullet boxes are. crease in velocity when shooting the same weight bullets. Handloaders can ignore the .300 Win. Mag. hits 31.52 foot-pounds and recoil velocity climbs to 15.93 fps. This … It is just far more enjoyable to shoot when it doesn't hurt. bullets. Better to shoot a bullet that remains whole, like a Hornady 150-gr. This is bad juju, don't do it. The .30 Newton fired the first magnum a century or so ago. Using a custom Remington Sendero in .300 Win Mag., he would be shooting targets from 300 to 1000 yards. Women On Target® Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Ambassadors, NRA Outstanding Achievement Youth Award Presented by Brownells, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program. and poked a neat hole in and out of its ribs without ruining a bite of the delicious meat. over the .30-’06. to gain a 10 percent increase in velocity when shooting the same weight bullets. Having less recoil will equal tighter groups. It's pretty close to the 280 Ackley and since you're a reloader, obtaining ammo won't be an issue. Mag. Mag. Together with a Nightforce ATACR 5-25X 56 mm scope, the whole outfit weighed 15 lbs., and recoil was like a pat on the back shooting even the most potent loads. So us brakes missed the buck of a long bullet lies well below the.300 to fit exact. 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