The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. They share the same case head diameter, and though the Springfield case is longer, there is no denying the resemblance. The 300 WSM has proven to be more accurate than a 300 win mag. Twist rates for rifle barrels tend to differ slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer and from decade to decade (1:9-1:10), therefore, experimentation with the full range of 7mm bullet weights is often a requirement. ArmedBear Member. The 280 should beat it by a bit, but not much. 7mm Rem Ultra Mag. Over 2900fps with a 140 accubond. Long before it was used in the war it was the standard hunting rifle of many farmers. The 7x57 was a staple among those who lived in colonial Africa; the late Finn Aagaard related the story of the family’s 7x57 having a barrel that was shot out on game, not targets. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. As I pointed out on another thread , I have never been able to a .280 to shoot unless i loaded down quite abit. 28 Nosler. The 30-06 is a fine round and tough to beat as a do all cartridge. It was subsequently adopted by several other … Wow, what great bullet. … I've loaded the 175 in the 280 using 58 grains of 7828 for, SAAMI for the 7x57 is 51Kpsi. Mag. Taking the nostalgia out of the equation, the .280 Remington makes more sense, or perhaps I should say is more versatile for the one-gun hunter. With the 7mm-08 rounds, the top performing round only has 295 inches of bullet drop while another has 435 inches. The truth is that the 7x57 has proven itself adequate for even the world's biggest game under the right circumstances. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. You may contacxt E.R. Witold Krzyżanowski . The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 can handle bullets ranging from about 100-160 grains very effectively. quote: Originally posted by fredj338: What rifle is that being built on? In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. 7x57 vs. .280 Remington. 7mm Rem Mag. 7-08 vs 280 is about the same as the 308 vs 30-06 discussion. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. The 7-08 in place of the 7x57 loses nothing a deer would notice. (In the case of the 7x57, also 175 grain bullets.) 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data ... 7mm (7x57) 7mm-08 Rem. Maybe the best way to really determine the difference in velocity potential between two cartridges is to perform tests including multiple rifles and loads loaded to the same pressure as determined by the latest test equipment. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. I would have to say tha as a hunting rifle, either will do about the same. Mag. Two classic 7mm cartridges, both with well-established reputations as all-around choices for general big game hunting, and both with a fair number of devotees. 284 Win. 280 Remington. Palouser Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. by Philip Massaro - Toute cartouche de calibre .30 fournit plus d'énergie qu'une cartouche de 7 mm comparable. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. vs. .340 Wby. Mag. AH ambassador. Since we're comparing 7mm rifle ammo, I'd probably take the ol' .280 Remington over either, or as I like to call it, the 7mm-06. 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. Jul 23, 2019 … The .280 is an excellent shooter, I don't recollect anyone here having one that doesn't love theirs, mine include. I've got months to find a round that shoots well out of my .308, but October will be here quick. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Next Last. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. Looking at the elder cartridge, the 7x57mm Mauser began life as a military cartridge, and went on to inspire America’s sweetheart, the .30-06 Springfield. Factory 7x57 loads typically run from 139 to 175 grains, so Hornady's 150-grain ELD-X and 162-grain ELD Match appeared perfectly suited for this. 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. Effective Game Killing Cartridge of the month: 300 Winchester Magnum Inspiration Show all Inspiration 10 tips for hunters in quarantine Wild Berlin - Hunting in urban areas Nous vous livrons également au drive sans-contact du Magasin de Nîmes. I find no bad or negative comments written on either cartridge. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). More Guns. Reactions: WVgoodguy22. par D-mon » 10 Fév 2005 01:26 . It will offer a velocity advantage of about 300 fps or so over the 7x57mm Mauser with most bullet weights, and the most popular choice for the .280 Remington seems to be the 140-, 150- and 160-grain slugs. The Contestants. The case capacity and velocities generated by the .280 Remington make is a great choice for those who want the capability to take elk at 400 yards, bear over bait at 40 yards, and everything in between. Killing a big bull at a steep quartering angle takes a very good cartridge topped by a tough, deep-penetrating bullet. vs .280 Rem. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. Like @wbm says, fine … However, many gunwriters and hunters alike quietly went about loving the way the .280 Remington performed. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. AGW- duh!!! I load for my sister's 7x57, and RL-17 has given some great velocity in that case. flu-flu Membre Confirmé Messages: 192 Images: 2 Inscription: 03 Mai 2003 21:33. They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. Forced to pick between the two, the .280 gives more versatility and the sensible side of me will have to give the .280 Remington the nod. vs. .300 Wby. The 7x57 produces velocities around 100 to 150fps slower than the .270 and .280 Remington and in doing so, tends to produce mild recoil (in suitably fitting rifles). I've got a rifle hunt planned for this fall in CO and need to find some factory ammo that shoots well out of my gun. Largest internet ammo dealer shows 12 options for 7x57 loaded ammunition and 6 options in stock. 1 of 2 Go to page. Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. Seen more than a few taken with .270's and 30-06 though. 7x57 vs 7mm-08 Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by plp, Jun 6, 2018. were included in that article, but could not match the four short list cartridges in the area of availability of rifles and ammunition (read popularity). 280 Remington. vs .280 Rem. STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. My favorite rifle is a 7x57. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … .280 holds about 10 gr more powder whiich I would say equates to 140-150 fps. Comme le 7x57, au­quel il pro­pose une al­ter­na­tive plus puis­sante, uti­li­sable dans le boî­tier des Mau­ser 98, le 7x64 est pen­sé au­tour d’une balle de 11,3 g. Pour ce­la, l’avi­sé Bren­neke choi­sit de conser­ver le pas de rayure de 220 mm (8,8 inches). Be advised that the neck on the .280 is a good deal smaller in diameter than the 7x57. fyrewall. 7mm WSM. I’m talking 7mm-08 vs. .308; .280 Rem. The result: a necked neck. Sing it Bob. One .270 Win round only has 280 inches of bullet drop at this range while another has 444 inches of bullet drop. Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:48 pm . It was developed by Paul Mauser of the Mauser company in 1892 and adopted as a military cartridge by Spain in 1893. The 7x64 case is ever so slightly shorter than the .280 in case length dimensions but features slightly less body taper, evening out case capacity. Since I don't have access to such resources, I would tend to use an approximation. I have two 7x57 loads that both test near 55 KPSI, and which both put a 160/162 grain bullet at a trifle under 2750 FPS. Which of these loads will serve you best the next time a deer enters the crosshairs? #2 Short actions chamberings and rifles are simply more accurate. Posted: Tue … To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and contrasting between them. ! I used to shoot the 170 gr. Joined: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:22 pm Posts: 459 Location: Washington State, USA I guess the nostalgia of the 7x57 appeals to me over the 280. It’s worth noting, however, that some loads have been dropped. Atkinson. StarCraft II is a real-time strategy game from Blizzard Entertainment for the PC and Mac. The advantage of the 280 AI is the better selection of high BC bullets, slightly lower recoil and longer brass life. Everything else being equal, what is the velocity differential between the 280 and 7x57 using reasonable maximum loads in a modern action? In the High Velocity guise—the throat of the chamber is modified to work best with the 140-grain bullets—as is so popular in the U.K. for stalking red deer and hunting roe deer, the cartridge handles those species perfectly. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir After the Spanish-American War of the late 1890s, our military was forced to re-examine the .30-40 Krag; ultimately the influence of the 7x57mm Mauser gave rise to the .30-06 Springfield that we still hold so dear. That’s not the point, or at least it shouldn’t be whenever one hears the 7mm vs 30 caliber argument. I must say I'm a little surprised that an innocent little thread like this contains so many fierce defenses of one cartridge against another. I had the .35 Whelan built some time ago for Elk hunting. I need the boards input 7x57 Improved (40 degree) Vs standard 280 Remington. One of the greater benefits of the 57mm case design is that velocity is limited to a level which tends to bring about optimum bullet performance with regard to terminal ballistics. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. The 7x57 is a nice upgrade to that. The 7x57mm Mauser is the brainchild of Peter Paul Mauser, developed in 1892, and was adopted by the Spanish Military a year later. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? The 7mm Showdown: 7x57 vs. 7mm-08 Rem. 7x57 Mauser What rifle are you buying marked .257 Rigby? Probably not, partly because I was lucky enough to obtain it when the prices at Serengeti were a lot lower than they are now! Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. The 7x57 mm is neither wildly popular nor widely available, but neither is the .280 Rem. You thinking of Roberts or 280?- drybean. Jump to Latest Follow Last edited: Jun 9, 2018. Another very underrated cartridge with limited demand. 7mm-08 vs 270, some thoughts. IIRC, his findings were, due to the twist rate of the military barrel he used, rather displeasing as he was having a hard time finding an accurate load for his rifle; especially with lighter bullets. Edited to add; I see now that cptpoly posted the same link, good info though. Hope you had a good Christmas. Our modern bullets have done nothing but help the 19th century cartridge, making it even more effective than it was in the 1890s. Apr 26, 2017 #5 STOMP442 said: Just finished building a 7x57 Ackley on a squared up Mauser 98 with a 26" Benchmark #4 9 twist barrel. EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. Why not just a .280? It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. S. srvet Well-Known Member. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. The 7×57mm Mauser (designated as the 7mm Mauser or 7×57mm by the SAAMI and 7 × 57 by the C.I.P.) EVOSTRIKE VS TIPSTRIKE in ballistic gelatin Test: Which hunting bullet suits you? ; 7mm Ultra Mag. fredj, being the Sako maniac I am, it is on a M-75 action with a McMillan stock, Wiseman barrel, and Wiseman 'printing' of the action. Mag.• .300 RSAUM vs. .300 WSM• .500 Jeffrey vs. .505 Gibbs• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Survival. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. (The 7x57 was designed for 175 grain bullets and the 6.5x55 for 160 grain bullets.) My guesstimate is in a 22" barrel they are pretty much one in the same. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. Under 200 yards you can't tell the difference. Mar 2, 2013 #8 This is a bit like a 308 or 30/06 thread. Wildcats be wildcats. For example, in the first edition, there are loads for the .219 Zipper, .25-35, .280 Remington, 8x57, .358 Norma Magnum and .460 Weatherby; the 16th edition lists loads for the 6mm Creedmoor, .25-36 Marlin and 7.7mm Arisaka, among others. Same with all the short action chamberings vs similar, but longer cartridges. By today’s standards, the 7x57mm Mauser is in the same league, albeit slightly less powerful than the .270 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm-08, and .284 Win. I've loaded for both and have owned several 280's, 3-4 7x57, but have only worked with 140's in each because there was no requirement for a 160 for my hunting.All these rifles had 22" barrels and ran the gamut from Remington Mountain rifles to full blown customs. Not sure if you're in the USA or if you buy factory ammo, but if that matters I'd say the 7x57 wins that battle. They also need less powder … 1941 270: 1895 7x57: _____ Ray. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. In their data the 280 has 26" barrel and 24" for the 270 and the 280 has alittle better velocity. Killing a bull cleanly takes a good cartridge. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. I can't part with either one!!! I love them all but if pushed to pick a favorite it would be the 7x57 hands down. Thread Tools . They are the same cartridge, sort of like the .244 Remington/6MM Remington and the 7MM Express Remington/.280 Remington. In the hands of explorer/hunters like Walter Dalrymple Maitland Bell, known by his African nickname “Karamoja,” the 7x57mm Mauser—marketed in the U.K. as the .275 Rigby—would be used as an all-around cartridge, for animals as small as impala all the way up to elephant. The switch would later be made to the 139-grain spitzer bullet at a much higher velocity, though the heavier bullet—and the Mauser rifle—made the 7x57mm Mauser’s reputation in the hunting fields. Does the old 7x57 offer enough to make a hunter choose it over the .280? Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 … Still- kind of surprised the differences aren't even greater. Tomahawks Are Back: These American Relics Have Seen a Resurgence in Military and Survival Situations. The Berger 180-grain VLD Target, Hornady 180-grain ELD Match, Sierra 183-grain MatchKing and Berger 195-grain EOL Elite Hunter have impressive BCs, but I was concerned whether the old 7x57 could drive the heavier bullets fast enough. The .280 Remington retains the same 17-degree 30-minute shoulder of the .30-06 but uses the 2.54-inch case of the .30-03 Springfield. 270 Win vs. 7x57 If you had these two calibers and they shoot equally well which would you keep and why? Last year I contracted for a custom 7x57 built by Mike McCabe (z1r). Steve. It’s on a VZ-24 Czech military Mauser action. It’s essentially a short-action round that has the potential to run neck-and-neck with the longer .280 Remington. I think the 30-06 would be a better bet. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Jul 22, 2019 #8 Wapiti426 New member. But if you enjoy the historical ties to cartridges, and your shots stay inside of 300 yards, there’s no reason to say no to the 7x57mm Mauser; it just doesn’t have the capability of the .280 Remington at longer ranges. Sure, the 7mm Mauser is an old-timer, but this older round can keep up with newer ones. Atkinson. Joined: Sep 8, 2005 Messages: Mag. But this isn’t due to it being chambered in weak, older rifles. DrMike Post subject: Re: 7x57 or 7x57 AI. If I were you I would load it with Hornady GMX/Barnes X and not worry that you are under gunned or need a 7 mm. So, like the 7x57, the .280 Remington is at its best as a handloader's cartridge. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best … I like the Norma 156-grain Oryx load at a muzzle velocity of 2641 fps, as that bullet had proven to be wonderfully accurate and I’m a fan of that bullet’s terminal performance. Mag. Shaw and just have your Ruger rebarreled to another 7x57 or to 280. Those were right around 50 KPSI and 2800 FPS. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. Latest. Exemples, une 7mm-08 contre .308, une .280 Rem. Wage war across the galaxy with three unique and powerful races. Bolt Action Rifles Sponsored by Camera Land.280 vs. 7x57 . I can't part with either one!!! All comments are welcome and appreciated. At the turn of the 20th Century, with smokeless powder quickly replacing blackpowder, and jacketed bullets extending the terminal performance, the boundaries of acceptable cartridges were being developed and broken as technology progressed. I have owned(and still do) plenty of 7x57,7mm-08 as well as .280 Remington. With the Hornady Custom .275 Rigby load 140-grain load moving at 2680 fps, it will still retain over 1,000 ft-lbs at the 400-yard mark. … Et le quelle est le meilleur . Re: 500Whisper Vs 12,7x57 Anthis. To be honest, this is more of a personal, i.e. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. Calibre 7x57R en vente en ligne sur l'armurerie française, bénéficiez des meilleurs conditions tarifaires et d'une livraison très rapide. KSTEPHENS. 100 yard Ballistic Gel testing a 140gn Core-Lokt bullet. Mine is now a .280 Imp-Imp, but it shot extemely well before the rechamber, I've only fired start loads to fire form in it so far, but even those shot mostly insdie of 2" shooting 5 shots groups as fast as I could reload, let it cool and do it again for 50 rounds! as a benchmark, according to the Remington website for same bullet factory load. Factory specifications for a 7mm MAuser are worthless comparisons to the handloader who is the only person to realize the potentioal of this case size. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. vs. .284 Win. That said, the 7x57mm Mauser can be a very versatile cartridge as well. In fact, the .280 Remington may be one of the best balanced of the Springfield family. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. By Ron Spomer. Mag.• .375 Ruger vs. .375 H&H Magnum• 7mm-08 Remington vs. .280 Remington• .280 Remington vs. .280 Ackley Improved• 7mm vs. .30 Caliber• 6.5 Weatherby RPM vs. 6.5 PRC• .338 Win. All of them will kill deer with equal efficiency. versus une .30-06, une 7mm STW versus une .300 Wby ou encore, une 7mm Ultra Mag versus une .300 Ultra Mag. 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Can you can get a 7x57 160 loaded 2,850 to 2,900 fps? A modern rifle in good condition being the only rider. Pitiful. Thread starter ATX762; Start date Jul 21, 2017; 1; 2; Next. I think alot goes back to when the 280 was a wildcat rd 7mm/06 and the 30-06 is 60kPSI they just kept it the same pressure level. _____ CDR3 Veteran, NRA Member. I have built customer's rifles in both calibers, shot them. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. It is the success of the 7x57mm Mauser which has caused so many cartridges to be necked up or down to hold 7mm bullets; the .280 Remington is no exception. Among many of the East African settlers, the sheer availability of both rifles and ammunition were good reason for using the cartridge on nuisance animals like lion, leopard and the plentiful antelope. 7x57 or 280 Remington. Which of these gets the nod? I used to shoot the 170 gr. In a longer tube the extra case capacity of the 280 allows more of the slow burning stuff. emotional thing since I liked my 7x57 so much. It did, for the first few decades of its existence, suffer from the incredible popularity of both the .30-06 Springfield and the .270 Winchester, and went through that weird name change debacle in the late 70s/early 80s when it was known as the 7mm Express Remington. We've got you covered.• .300 Win. - DrMike. I can't say anything about the .270 Winchester that hasn't already been written unless I lie. The longer .280 Remington and other similar capacity cartridges actually add little killing power, but their increased recoil and muzzle blast make it seem as if they do. I remember reading a post written by BobVZ on the our old message board explaining his results of converting a 7x57 to a 280 Remington. 7mm Rem SA Ultra Mag. Of course you are right on the money. 280 Rem. Alas, like the 7x57 it suffers somewhat from a low maximum breech pressure, 56,000 psi. Same cartridge, just different name. With good handloads the cartridge comes very close to 7mm Remington Magnum performance--and does it in a shorter barrel while burning a whole lot less powder. Looking for some pet loads for the 160-168 class of bullets. Mag.• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington• 7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington• .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum• .338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum• .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington• .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage• .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington• .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser• .416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum• .308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield• .22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie• .300 Win. par flu-flu » 09 Fév 2005 21:54 . Ballistics on each are nearly the same however the cost of doing the 7x57 Imp places me about $255.00 over budget when the chamber reamer and extra dies are factored in . Wow, what great bullet. Durant toute la durée du confinement, nous expédions normalement vos commandes. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington • .35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser Both great cartridges imo. and owned them. Hoping to see it before our annual pilgramage to Kansas.... 11 October 2007, 04:16 . Check it out! I don't hand load, so would be reliant on factory ammunition. .257 Rigby/7x57 Mauser.257 Rigby is what British gunmakers called the 7x57 at one time. I realise that this is probably no right or wrong answer to this, but it would be good to hear from users of either calibre. The 7x57 is about perfectly balanced, case size vs. bore. Bell took over 1,000 elephants in his career, and a good percentage of them were with a .275 Rigby and 175-grain solid (non-expanding) bullets. The 7x57 would seem to fit the bill, and I like the idea of using such an old chamfering, but would a 7x64 be a more pragmatic choice? #3 The more efficient cases are a big part of the reason for enhanced accuracy since the powder burns more consistently. If hunting CXP2 game is your primary consideration, these four are exemplary cartridges, regardless of COL. With slower powders the on paper data suggest thats possible at 65Kpsi. Haut. So, the 7x57 has an emotional-historic relevance in South Africa. The Contestants. Nothing I've pointed it at in anger has gone more than a step or two.~Muir . Planetcat, Jun 7, 2018. But, a handloader and a modern rifle can run it at modern pressures up to 58-60K psi. 7x57 vs. .280 Remington. The .35 I’d reserve for the last three, while the others require no more than the other options. The 7x57, 7mm-08, 6.5x55 and .260 Rem. The .30-06, and its older brother the .30-03, were necked up and down to hold bullets of many different diameters—think about the famous .270 Winchester, .25-06 Remington and .35 Whelen—but Remington released their .280 Remington in 1957. Both the 7x57 and 280 are capable of somewhat higher pressures than this. I would not expect much difference at equal peak pressures. I shoot 140s out of my .280 and have killed two bulls. Illustrations courtesy of Hornady March 05, 2013 By Brad Fitzpatrick. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. The 7x57 is one of my favorite Bushveld calibers but might be a bit to slow if you planning to take some of long shots at game. To simplify the question, the .270 holds more powder and it can shoot the same weigh bullets. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. vs. .30-06; 7mm STW vs. .300 Wby. The answer is that one fits in to a short action and the other gives you about an extra 100 to 150 FPS±. Tuesday, October 27, 2020. This will be a tough one, as they are both excellent designs, with long histories of great field performance. Check it out! Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. The head diameter of the 7x64 is slightly smaller than the .280 (probably originally to avoid any patent issues with the Mauser brothers 8x57) however .270/.280 brass can be formed into 7x64. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection. La balistique en quelques chiffres . March 20, 2020. Introduced in 1925, the .270 is a necked-down .30-06 that holds .277 diameter bullets. The .280 reamer will not clean up the old neck. fyrewall. It shot good as a 7x57 and still shoots good as a 280 Rem, but the difference is not noticable downrange, since I reload. 280 Ack Imp. Most major ammunition manufacturers offer at least one load for the .280 Remington, though it does still trail behind the .270 and .30-06. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Personally I don't have any experience with 7x57 on elk. I had my Interarms Mark X in 7x57 rechambered to 280 Rem about 20 years ago and have regretted it ever since. EDIT: Also found a 7x57 test that I did on 150 grain bullets. Thanks all, I appreciate it. Top . and owned them. HD . “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away”. Nov 14, 2017 Cartridge Fight: .270 Win. Try Reloaders. Supporter . Apologies. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. 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